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Can we talk about Dueping on here?

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I'm not saying it's my opinion. That's what the fan-base says. Honestly, I don't care if someone dupes or is a TTer. I TT myself and frankly, duping is just another way of play.

No, I mean, is arguing about it actually important? What's the point? Trying to win people over to your side, or convince them to stop? No. There's no reason we do it. We just want to be "right". Trying and convincing others that what they do is wrong. That's all we're doing. We just want to be right. Think about it. We argue and argue, saying that this is cheating and wrong, and this is proper, blah blah blah. Can we not simply forget about it and try to rekindle the site the way it was before this stupid glitch tore us apart?

Damn, I sound like some ancient guru. Ugh. Oh well. Feel free to yell and disagree with me, though I won't reply anymore. It's not worth the trouble.
 
No, I mean, is arguing about it actually important? What's the point? Trying to win people over to your side, or convince them to stop?

Yes, precisely that. Debate fosters a challenging of ideals, and showing which ones are intellectually frail, and which ones we should abide by.


No. There's no reason we do it. We just want to be "right". Trying and convincing others that what they do is wrong. That's all we're doing. We just want to be right. Think about it. We argue and argue, saying that this is cheating and wrong, and this is proper, blah blah blah. Can we not simply forget about it and try to rekindle the site the way it was before this stupid glitch tore us apart?

The proper solution is never to just "ignore" a problem. I mean, imagine if we applied your philosophy to any other great social upheaval we know of. Apply your logic to slavery. "You're just arguing to argue. You just want to be right and proves other's wrong. Can't we just forget about this whole thing?"

That's not exactly the foundation of an enlightened society, let alone a well functioning one. Ideas need to be challenged and forged in the flames of debate. If we wish to progress, we must know which ideas are strong and good, and which ones are wicked and disgraceful. That is what debate does. That is the purpose of logic.
 
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bunch of stuff

and at the value comment - once it goes down i dont see why you need to charge 30 mil. it lost its "rare" value and it really shouldnt be 30m

and at your last comment - no i dont care if they make money. and idk?? i would rather sell the set for much cheaper or give them away. i dont have a problem with dupers like that but idk?? selling them so high just doesnt make sense to me?? but the 7/11 sets value is probably gonna go down once that that ac tumblr gives it away anyway

i dont know where you got 3 from like i mean if someone worked really hard to get 30 million bells in a game and buy the set and then they find out that the seller has like 50 others sets?? and they had in mind that the set was rare and hard to get. but whatever

have a good day
 
and at the value comment - once it goes down i dont see why you need to charge 30 mil. it lost its "rare" value and it really shouldnt be 30m

Well it shouldn't be 30m to begin with. But be that as it may, people are free to charge whatever they want for their items. And people are free to buy elsewhere.


and at your last comment - no i dont care if they make money.

Then why on earth do you keep bringing up people selling multiple sets for lots of money, if your complaint isn't about them making money?


and idk?? i would rather sell the set for much cheaper or give them away.

So would I.

And duplication can only increase this.


i dont have a problem with dupers like that but idk?? selling them so high just doesnt make sense to me??

Well, it makes sense in that people want to make massive, unreasonable profit. But I agree, I don't like that some people charge such high prices.

I just don't see what duplication has to do with this, outside of reducing this problem, by furthering the speed of the online economy's inevitable inflation.


i dont know where you got 3 from

Well it stands to reason that if people are duping because it makes them happy, and you have a problem with them duping, when it doesn't affect you, you have a problem with them enjoying their games in a way that makes them happy. It would seem that your happiness, and the happiness of the anti-duping crowd by connection, is contingent upon making many other players unhappy.
 
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this is a forum for a kid's game on the internet

not some form of government
 
The reason we've made a policy against duplicating items is because of the overall impact it has on the AC community. I normally don't like rules like this, but we've seen it happen with both Wild World and City Folk. Animal Crossing is a game structured around a virtual economy. When the economy dies, the game dies along with it for many players. And even if a user personally refuses to duplicate items, they are still affected by the online economy. We'd like to avoid this as much as possible, which is why we don't allow it.

That being said, we are not witch hunters and we understand that duping will happen despite the policy. This is why we do not respond to baseless accusations of duplicating, but would rather let the Wi-Fi Feedback ratings deal with it. However, we will lock any public discussions or admissions of duplicating items when it pertains to trading items, finding duping partners, etc.

Duplicating items is in fact cheating because it's done by exploiting a game glitch. Whether you cheat in a videogame or not is your own decision, but we don't want the cheating of one user to indirectly affect another user's gameplay. Online games ban online cheating, so it shouldn't be too shocking to hear that The Bell Tree and other AC sites don't allow it either. Time traveling, on the other hand, is not cheating and the difference between the two may help you understand the policy. One is done by exploiting a game glitch, the other is an intentional feature.

To sum it up, we don't care how you choose to play the game, but we hope you will not do anything that will ruin the experience for others.
 
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Conversations like this is probably why the talk of duping is not allowed. People argue over it. "It's wrong, it's right, it's okay". .-.

That's the exact same things people say about TTing though.

Nice job ya'll, this was actually a civil debate. Ya'll should've seen ACC's duping policy. At least Jer gave a real REASON for the banning of it and allows private discussion.

I have to ask. Is group discussion about duping allowed? Groups are, in a sense, private, or at least more private than the main threads. It wasn't mentioned in your post, and I think that it's not allowed in them, but I want to be absolutely positive.
 
That's the exact same things people say about TTing though.

Nice job ya'll, this was actually a civil debate. Ya'll should've seen ACC's duping policy. At least Jer gave a real REASON for the banning of it and allows private discussion.

I have to ask. Is group discussion about duping allowed? Groups are, in a sense, private, or at least more private than the main threads. It wasn't mentioned in your post, and I think that it's not allowed in them, but I want to be absolutely positive.

He said no
 
That's the exact same things people say about TTing though.

Nice job ya'll, this was actually a civil debate. Ya'll should've seen ACC's duping policy. At least Jer gave a real REASON for the banning of it and allows private discussion.

I have to ask. Is group discussion about duping allowed? Groups are, in a sense, private, or at least more private than the main threads. It wasn't mentioned in your post, and I think that it's not allowed in them, but I want to be absolutely positive.

ACC's policy is the same...
Duping is allowed but discussing it and how to do it is not.
 
That's the exact same things people say about TTing though.

Nice job ya'll, this was actually a civil debate. Ya'll should've seen ACC's duping policy. At least Jer gave a real REASON for the banning of it and allows private discussion.

I have to ask. Is group discussion about duping allowed? Groups are, in a sense, private, or at least more private than the main threads. It wasn't mentioned in your post, and I think that it's not allowed in them, but I want to be absolutely positive.

No, not allowed. We don't moderate PMs though, but we obviously discourage people to dupe at all.
 
The reason we've made a policy against duplicating items is because of the overall impact it has on the AC community.

What do you mean by that?

I normally don't like rules like this, but we've seen it happen with both Wild World and City Folk. Animal Crossing is a game structured around a virtual economy.

Not quite. The virtual economy as we know it is solely the product of the gamer's themselves. Trading as we know it is not an intended part of the game, and any "economy" the game intends is solely between the various venders in the game.

The virtual economy is a fabrication of players, which is why it is inevitably doomed to crash. Money and resources are infinite. Inflation is an inevitability. Therefore any argument about persevering the economy is utter nonsense.


When the economy dies, the game dies along with it for many players. And even if a user personally refuses to duplicate items, they are still affected by the online economy. We'd like to avoid this as much as possible, which is why we don't allow it.

Except duplicating does not affect the online economy in any way, other than giving more players the potential to earn items which they like. If you ant to charge/pay obscene prices for items, you can still do that, regardless of the existence of duplicating. All duplicating does is end the tyrannical rule of those who have items, and those who don't, by giving those who don't an have little money alternative means of procuring, either by directly duplicating, or paying less, more reasonable prices for the item.


Duplicating items is in fact cheating because it's done by exploiting a game glitch.

Not, it's not, because it's exploiting. There is a difference there.

Cheating implies gaining some form of unfair advantage over others. AC is not a competitive game. Further more, what's defined as "fair" is up for debate, as it can be argued quite effectively that the utilization of in-game glitches is perfectly "fair", especially within the context of a non competitive video game. This isn't like the Wuhu Loop glitch in Mario Kart 7. This isn't a competitive game. This is more akin to an enemy in an RPG getting stuck behind a wall through which you can strike them, but they cannot strike you. Very few people would call that cheating.

Further more, whether or not it's cheating doesn't matter, because what matters is whether or not it is harmful to unconsenting individuals; which it isn't.


Whether you cheat in a videogame or not is your own decision, but we don't want the cheating of one user to indirectly affect another user's gameplay.

Then make rules about that; not giving a widespread banning of duplicating.


Online games ban online cheating, so it shouldn't be too shocking to hear that The Bell Tree and other AC sites don't allow it either.

Not quite. Online competitive games ban cheating. AC is not a competitive game.


Time traveling, on the other hand, is not cheating and the difference between the two may help you understand the policy.

Oh really? Please, what is the difference? Because it seems like you've just drawn an arbitrary line in the sand.


One is done by exploiting a game glitch, the other is an intentional feature.

Actually, time travel is not an intentional feature. It is rather the exploitable result of the linking of in-game time with console time. Nintendo never "intended" for people to time travel at all.

Exploitation is exploitation. If you allow time traveling, or even the online trade in general for that matter, it is nothing short of hypocritical that you subsequently ban duplicating.

And yes, you read that right; online trade was never intended, and is just as much utilizing the program for unintended usage as time travel or duplicating. Trading items is the exploitable result of being able to drop and pick up items on the ground. Had nintendo intended "item trading" or a "virtual economy" to be an actual function of the game, they would have programmed something in directly relating to it. Some form of "Grand Exchange" if you will.


To sum it up, we don't care how you choose to play the game, but we hope you will not do anything that will ruin the experience for others.

Really? Because your rule seems to do just that; ruin the experience of others, by pandering to elitist snobbery nonsense.

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Ya'll should've seen ACC's duping policy.

I should know. I was a member there, and was banned while challenging their rulings.

I really hate that place.


At least Jer gave a real REASON for the banning of it and allows private discussion.

Poor reasons, but they were better than ACC's reasons.

But poor reasons none the less.

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Speaking of ACC, just imagine how much of the userbase we could attract if we allowed discussions of duplicating here. This website already is programmed far better as it is. With the added freedom of discussion, there'd be no real reason for people to stay over there.

Maybe that's just my desire to see that website crash and burn speaking however.
 
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