Can we talk about Dueping on here?

[rosiebelle]

Wow, thanks for explaining.

No problem ^^ It's always handy to get clued up on such matters

 

[nintendofan61]

No problem ^^ It's always handy to get clued up on such matters

Yeah, I could never figure out why people said it would damage the save file, because everything's already saved; it would not save what you have done since your last save...right? Sorry if this is confusing.

 

[Divo]

Yeah, it's not something Nintendo can fix. It isn't a Software issue, in the sense that they could just distribute some new code to override old code to prevent you from being able to walk through a wall or something. It deals with backup saves and the time it takes for one DS to save versus another. That's not something they can just distribute a code to "fix". And in fact, I don't think they'd want to do that, because it's designed to work this way intentionally.

 

[Garrett x50 cal]

If someone dupes in a videogame the very way of life as we know it will cease to exist. Nuclear war will wipe out everyone and everything on the planet. The permanent radiation will create an atmosphere similar to Venus, the radiation makes sure that no life will ever be able to form again.

And that's why we can't discuss glitches on TBT.

 

[Aiyana]

I haven't ever duped things, but I have time traveled. And now I'm curious as to what the difference between time traveling and duping is, like why TT is okay, because I've read so many things that are like "alkdfjlaksdj time traveling is the worst cheating awful thing in the world" or something exaggerated like that, and so now I'm confused.

 

[Garrett x50 cal]

I haven't ever duped things, but I have time traveled. And now I'm curious as to what the difference between time traveling and duping is, like why TT is okay, because I've read so many things that are like "alkdfjlaksdj time traveling is the worst cheating awful thing in the world" or something exaggerated like that, and so now I'm confused.

People realized they were absolute morons for trying to condemn a way someone plays their videogame for their own enjoyment that doesn't affect anyone else. So the hate against TTers has died down significantly. Perhaps someday the same can be said for those against glitches.

 

[Snow]

I haven't ever duped things, but I have time traveled. And now I'm curious as to what the difference between time traveling and duping is, like why TT is okay, because I've read so many things that are like "alkdfjlaksdj time traveling is the worst cheating awful thing in the world" or something exaggerated like that, and so now I'm confused.

I don't think there's really any "moral" difference between duping, tting, or farming DLCs. All of them can be done because it makes your personal gameplay more fun, and all three can easily be abused for profit and "economy wrecking". I mean, is a person who tts and then sells picnic baskets before everyone can get them normally any different from a person who duped them? I don't think so. Is there any difference between sitting in starbucks for hours farming tea sets and duping them? No, not really. The results are the same -- an excess of rare items that are then sold at higher prices (or lower, in some cases) -- but for some reason everyone gives the tters and item farmers a pass.

And if everyone is so worried about morality, I think exploiting a n00b in the Re-Tail forum who doesn't know which DLCs are re-orderable is a lot less "moral" than exploiting a loophole in gameplay.

Personally, I like to play the game as it comes; I don't like to experience events or seasons early, I like getting stuff slowly. But I don't care how other people play their game.

All that said, it's the right of the site owner and mod to decide how their site is run; you may not agree but I think you have to respect it.

 

[nintendofan61]

I mean, is a person who tts and then sells picnic baskets before everyone can get them normally any different from a person who duped them? I don't think so. Is there any difference between sitting in starbucks for hours farming tea sets and duping them?

That is a good point..

 

[Zhados]

Duplication does affect us all though, especially those who want to play the game as intended.
Personally I like to play the game without have to rely on having to abuse a glitch, but because there are so many dupers out there this became somewhat of an issue.
I mean, even with the stalk market it is hard to get your dream villagers, or certain expensive sets for that matter.
Of course, there are a lot of kind people who duplicate expensive and otherwise unobtainable sets for the benefit of others, but this also means that dupers affects most of us often in a way that the we don't even realize that we are not playing the game we want to.

So, conclusion?
In order to get expensive DLC sets or dream villagers you either have to spend a month+ of stalk marketing, or become a duper yourself.

 

[Byngo]

In order to get expensive DLC sets or dream villagers you either have to spend a month+ of stalk marketing, or become a duper yourself.

Good point. Some people (Such as myself) don't have the time to make the money necessary to get w/e item it is that you desire, so duping yourself or getting from a duper who would give it to you is a lovely alternative. Because, if people who are against duping has it their way, many people would never get items they wanted, or at the very least it would take a hell of a long time to get them.

About your intended way of playing: I hope you know that if you trade, you're not playing an intended way either. Divo brought a great point that I never had thought of, that trading is just as un-intended as duplicating.

 

[nintendofan61]

About your intended way of playing: I hope you know that if you trade, you're not playing an intended way either. Divo brought a great point that I never had thought of, that trading is just as un-intended as duplicating.

This is also a good point Lunatic. I sometimes find myself regretting trading, because I have everything - now I have nothing else to do in the game..

 

[StarryACNL]

I personally think there's no harm in discussing it as long as no-one starts trading with it!
As soon as someone crosses the line I think it should be band!

 

[Absentia]

People on this forum frown on duping for the most part and even though its not expressly in the rules to not talk about it (unless I missed it) people will start a huge stink and probably report anyone who does mention it, as a friend of mine found out resently when he said he had extra items. Didn't even mention duping and it was all downhill from first post.

But lets face it, so many people on this forum dupe and keep it hush hush its not even funny. And those same people will openly bash anyone who even possibly uses words that are synonymous with duping.

I hate duping, but I'll buy from this shop that just happens to have 50 afternoon tea sets to sell the day after release...yeah, ok guys, you keep doing that.


Also, if you trade/buy from a stranger there's a 50% chance they either duped the item or traded for it with someone who duped i, or that person got a duped item and it goes on and on.

I try my best to get my items legit, and I seriously spend hours and hours trading and buying to get the inventory from my shop, but I can estimate that in the past week over half of my items have come from a duped source because I've traded off about 20 full flower sets + items. I can't with all my heart say that someone somewhere did not dupe at least 1 of those even if I myself got it legit.

 

[Garrett x50 cal]

I personally think there's no harm in discussing it as long as no-one starts trading with it!
As soon as someone crosses the line I think it should be band!

Well there's no point in discussing it if you can't follow through with it.

"Dude duping would be so cool, too bad we can't do it."

The only reason we're talking about it now is a discussion about whether or not we should be able to follow through with it.

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Duplication does affect us all though, especially those who want to play the game as intended.
Personally I like to play the game without have to rely on having to abuse a glitch, but because there are so many dupers out there this became somewhat of an issue.
I mean, even with the stalk market it is hard to get your dream villagers, or certain expensive sets for that matter.
Of course, there are a lot of kind people who duplicate expensive and otherwise unobtainable sets for the benefit of others, but this also means that dupers affects most of us often in a way that the we don't even realize that we are not playing the game we want to.

So, conclusion?
In order to get expensive DLC sets or dream villagers you either have to spend a month+ of stalk marketing, or become a duper yourself.

You never made a point against or for duping you just said stuff is expensive. Even though duping lowers the value of goods.

"but this also means that dupers affects most of us often in a way that the we don't even realize that we are not playing the game we want to."

Lol, if you don't like duping A. Don't dupe B. Don't buy from a duper then it won't "affect" you.

 

[Divo]

People on this forum frown on duping for the most part and even though its not expressly in the rules to not talk about it (unless I missed it) people will start a huge stink and probably report anyone who does mention it, as a friend of mine found out resently when he said he had extra items. Didn't even mention duping and it was all downhill from first post.

This is the problem with pandering to elitist snobbery. It only gets worse.

I understand the mods want to try and keep everyone happy, but they should realize that not everyone deserves to be appeased. Particularly these little *******s. Not all views are of equal merit. Some are objectively worse. And ones which are worse should not be pandered to, if doing so causes harm to others.

These people should be told to grow up or piss off, not be allowed to terrorize others for not playing "the right way".

 

[catman_]

This is the problem with pandering to elitist snobbery. It only gets worse.

I understand the mods want to try and keep everyone happy, but they should realize that not everyone deserves to be appeased. Particularly these little *******s. Not all views are of equal merit. Some are objectively worse. And ones which are worse should not be pandered to, if doing so causes harm to others.

These people should be told to grow up or piss off, not be allowed to terrorize others for not playing "the right way".

Telling people to "grow up or piss off" wouldn't help anyone.

In Pokemon forums, it's okay to duplicate Pokemon as long as they're not hacked themselves. But it's common courtesy, or recommended, that you let people know that it's a duplicated Pokemon/item.

I for one don't mind duping, but you must admit the smallest that it does become unfair at times. But of course, this shouldn't matter as nothing is unfair in market.

 

[Zhados]

Well there's no point in discussing it if you can't follow through with it.

"Dude duping would be so cool, too bad we can't do it."

The only reason we're talking about it now is a discussion about whether or not we should be able to follow through with it.

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You never made a point against or for duping you just said stuff is expensive. Even though duping lowers the value of goods.

"but this also means that dupers affects most of us often in a way that the we don't even realize that we are not playing the game we want to."

Lol, if you don't like duping A. Don't dupe B. Don't buy from a duper then it won't "affect" you.

I'm afraid it is not that simple; my whole point was that dupers are everywhere (on these forums aswell), and because of that it is nearly impossible to not be affected by dupers.
Besides, have you ever seen anyone on these forums, or actually any AC forums, that begin their thread by stating that they are dupers?

The fact that certain items are expensive means that people that want to play the game "legit", or vanilla, whatever you like to call it, either have to spend an insane amount of time of grinding/selling turnips, whilst other people are abusing a glitch that wasn't even supposed to be there.

Which brings me to my next point, one that Lunatic brought to my attention:
To truly define how this game is supposed to be played is difficult, because this game places a lot of emphasis on playing this game together with your friends.
At that point, trading becomes a rather obvious way to exchange items with each others and help each other to get more desirable pieces of furniture and other items, and it has been this way for a while now.
If this wasn't how the game was supposed to be played, then why didn't Nintendo took out this "feature" a long time ago?

Glitches on the other hand, are just that; glitches.
They are accidents, they weren't supposed to be there.
The fact that the online market depends on such a thing means that a lot of people are forced in one way or another to participate in this market, a market which wasn't supposed to exist in the first place.

 

[Garrett x50 cal]

I'm afraid it is not that simple; my whole point was that dupers are everywhere (on these forums aswell), and because of that it is nearly impossible to not be affected by dupers.

They're plenty of non dupers or are you implying you're the only one?

Besides, have you ever seen anyone on these forums, or actually any AC forums, that begin their thread by stating that they are dupers?

No simply because if they do at least here their thread will be closed. You can always ask however.

The fact that certain items are expensive means that people that want to play the game "legit", or vanilla, whatever you like to call it, either have to spend an insane amount of time of grinding/selling turnips, whilst other people are abusing a glitch that wasn't even supposed to be there.

What on Earth are you talking about?! An items price has absolutely nothing to do with some players wanting to play "vanilla"
Do you understand why 7/11 items are expensive? Because it's non reorderable DLC that was only obtainable in Japan for a limited time. Not because the knights of the holy vanilla round table of animal crossing deemed it to be so.

Which brings me to my next point, one that Lunatic brought to my attention:
To truly define how this game is supposed to be played is difficult, because this game places a lot of emphasis on playing this game together with your friends.

There is no right or wrong way to play a videogame, any videogame.

Spoiler: multiple examples

CoD/FPS': Get kills complete the objective right? What about people who just want to run around suiciding, they're having fun in their own right, are they wrong? Certainly they're not playing to win but rather - fun.
Minecraft: Goal? Build a shelter, mine ore, hide from monsters. Is the guy making a 1:1 replicate of the death star from Star Wars wrong?

Animal crossing: Playing each day completely vanilla no TT no dupes no ANY sort of glitch whatsoever. That person is having fun at their own pace The "pace" Nintendo set into place by default. Does that mean the TT duping 1,000 gold flower player isn't having any fun? Nintendo created AC with the idea that players play the game in real time day-by-day. But do they care if you TT or dupe? Of course not they want you to buy and have fun with their product even if that means you buying it just to throw it into an ocean.

At that point, trading becomes a rather obvious way to exchange items with each others and help each other to get more desirable pieces of furniture and other items, and it has been this way for a while now.
If this wasn't how the game was supposed to be played, then why didn't Nintendo took out this "feature" a long time ago?

There's nothing wrong with trading.

Glitches on the other hand, are just that; glitches.
They are accidents, they weren't supposed to be there.

By definition you are correct but just because they're not supposed to be there doesn't mean you can't benefit from it or just have fun.

The fact that the online market depends on such a thing means that a lot of people are forced in one way or another to participate in this market, a market which wasn't supposed to exist in the first place.

If you're that scared or upset by a big scary duped item then just don't trade. Simple as that. I understand you're saying "Well I shouldn't have to worry about getting a scary duped item!!!" Well it happened. Some people are afraid of pickles we're not getting rid of pickles for a tiny minority group.

 

[Divo]

Telling people to "grow up or piss off" wouldn't help anyone.

I disagree. I think it would help a great deal. Some people need to be told that. And it would be a far more just solution.

I for one don't mind duping, but you must admit the smallest that it does become unfair at times.

I can't particularly agree it's unfair either. You could say it's "illegitimate", but, well, **** legitimacy. It's illegitimate to time travel too, but I'm not going to sit around and wait for twelve years before I can complete my catalog in New Leaf, elitism be damned.

 

[Lauren]

Everyone to their own, I personally see it as cheating. It ruins the game. Although, I have the same opinion as most of the people on here, those who have a difference of opinion are entitled. It shouldn't be spoken about on here if I'm quite honest as we're a well known community and don't want the name besmirched by those who wish to duplicate items of which wasn't intended for their region or do not wish to play the game correctly.