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[cornimer]

Wait I don't think Heyden legitimately claimed miller? I thought it was a joke due to the "!!!11111" which is a meme thing

 

[Geoni]

Yeah no you're right, noticed he said in one of his page 100 posts that it's between two millers.

 

[Heyden]

Tbh major town points to Heyden for this post. The tone and the quality of his argument are very different (in a good way) from when he was scum last game.
If toads is scum at all it probably is with Evan, not to mention Toads' earlier inconsistent read on Evan.
However a large part of me believes that the two of us rolling millers named Bill is just our luck. Not to mention both our characters are super sketch and thus well suited to being millers (although I feel like Cosby could also be a jester? Maybe?) but I know everyone loooooves flavour meta so I'll stop

Yeah idk, I can't really tell at this point since Toads claimed 2 minutes after yours, which obviously gives you more precedence in being the more legitimate one. I don't think he's jester since that was apart of Ness' potential role. It's just that Toads' overall behaviour this game has been straight up scummy, and I can see the gag in having 2 millers named Bill but idfk. In the case he does flip town tho it'll probably reveal a few things about Rune/Waffles.

Miller reinforces the existence of cop, so Cop/VeteranPresident/Mason/Mason/Bodyguard/Messenger and probably a Doctor or Vig, I don't think there would be both bc 8 blues is insane.

Also Dad I was joking about miller.

 

[Geoni]

Also, just a thought, nobody likes to listen to good old Dad anyways, but wouldn't Bianca being the fabrication option also be too obvious? If mafia wanted their fabricated whisper to lead to a lynch then they'd whisper it to somebody like Ness. Again, I think there's a randomized element to whatever role is responsible.

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This makes me dislike Jacob's intermission even more. Also noticing that Locket was aligning against Toads and in general her reaction, what I don't like specifically about it, is that it seems weak and panicked like somebody who is not super experienced in mafia playing as scum. Toads is an easy person to align against right now.

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So yeah my pre-bedtime opinion is for Jacob and Locket to be worthwhile lynch candidates.

 

[Heyden]

Also, just a thought, nobody likes to listen to good old Dad anyways, but wouldn't Bianca being the fabrication option also be too obvious? If mafia wanted their fabricated whisper to lead to a lynch then they'd whisper it to somebody like Ness. Again, I think there's a randomized element to whatever role is responsible.

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This makes me dislike Jacob's intermission even more. Also noticing that Locket was aligning against Toads and in general her reaction, what I don't like specifically about it, is that it seems weak and panicked like somebody who is not super experienced in mafia playing as scum. Toads is an easy person to align against right now.

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So yeah my pre-bedtime opinion is for Jacob and Locket to be worthwhile lynch candidates.

Yeah you're right about that, why would 'valuable' information be sent to Bianca. But the fact that she received that message from an anonymous person in the game, and not directly from the host sort of rules it out being official at all. It could a frame or reverse psychology, which is why I'm ignoring it.

I think you have a point about Locket's weak reaction to the accusations against her, but I don't think Jacob was deliberately trying to save her imo, more like providing insight I guess bc iirc someone specifically asked him about the oracle role, so it wasn't something he did under his own initiative.

Also to agree on the Toads point, I do feel like he's being heavily ganged up on and no one's really coming to his aid (maybe he's a deadweight at this point?) but yeah idk, 2 aware millers tho.

 

[Biancasbotique]

i was asked by the sender not to reveal it

idk if i asked this yet; bianca was the title of the pm u received Anonymous Message or something like Night Result? and was anonymous message included in the actual message part of the pm, or was it literally just ?locket is mafia?

actuslly what i asked above isn?t getting into rule break territory is it ;_;

it came from trundle and it says night result

 

[Heyden]

My only issue is that Lockets reaction could easily be interpreted as a town panic situation as well, so basically stuck in the same loophole.

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oh it was a night result what the ****

 

[Biancasbotique]

Yeah you're right about that, why would 'valuable' information be sent to Bianca. But the fact that she received that message from an anonymous person in the game, and not directly from the host sort of rules it out being official at all. It could a frame or reverse psychology, which is why I'm ignoring it.

I think you have a point about Locket's weak reaction to the accusations against her, but I don't think Jacob was deliberately trying to save her imo, more like providing insight I guess bc iirc someone specifically asked him about the oracle role, so it wasn't something he did under his own initiative.

Also to agree on the Toads point, I do feel like he's being heavily ganged up on and no one's really coming to his aid (maybe he's a deadweight at this point?) but yeah idk, 2 aware millers tho.

omg im not Omarosa! I just said Im Omarosa earlier because Punchy kept pressuring my flavor name ha ha..didnt you see my quote

"I'm Omarosa ha ha" with the emphasis on ha ha

 

[Heyden]

so did it say something like;
#1 You received an anonymous message; Locket is mafia
or
#2 Night result; Locket is mafia

 

[Geoni]

What else has Jacob really been posting about though?

Also @ people saying Toads could be jester (I think I read it somewhere in my skim): why would a jester want to become president?

 

[Heyden]

omg im not Omarosa! I just said Im Omarosa earlier because Punchy kept pressuring my flavor name ha ha..didnt you see my quote

"I'm Omarosa ha ha" with the emphasis on ha ha

oh woops, my chara is still a republican regardless

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so much post merge breaks ):<

 

[Geoni]

Byngo was yours delivered similarly to Bianca's?

 

[Biancasbotique]

so did it say something like;
#1 You received an anonymous message; Locket is mafia
or
#2 Night result; Locket is mafia

#1

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Even I dont trust this message tbh

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Byngo was yours delivered similarly to Bianca's?

From what I understand, she got anonymous note with truncated words (like twitter) from someone anonymous

 

[cornimer]

What else has Jacob really been posting about though?

Also @ people saying Toads could be jester (I think I read it somewhere in my skim): why would a jester want to become president?

Yeah you're right (and Heyden is right about pointing out Ness could've been a jester) Toads is not a jester then

 

[Biancasbotique]

Is Trundle opening the voting thread??

 

[amazonevan19]

uhhh are you avoiding lynching Vanessa/toads? you know there are 3 miller claims and I really believe its either Vanessa or Toads but if I were to pick whos the most suss among them both then it has to be TOADSWORTHY you know I have no objections unless you're hiding something from us you and toads reads on me are very weak no offense really

If Toads flip read you're next mark my words

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Heyden was joking lmao, there's only two miller claims.

And yeah, my read is pretty weak on you because you consistently offer next to worthless """analysis"""

@Heyden The reason I don't want to go after toads/Vanessa now is that they could be telling the truth, and we should let cop (if s/he exists) scout out miller claims. I think it's better to go after people who are scummier in my opinion.

I will probably be making a new reads list soon because glow is particularly perplexing - she's not a lynch candidate for me rn. I think lynching rune will give us a lot of information and the best chance for scum, ITYW would give us some information and the next best chance for scum, then Vanessa, then toads. I would not be opposed to a toads/Vanessa lynch but I will probably be voting between Rune and Waffles myself. There's definitely fishy things going on between the scumgroups of rune/waffles and toads/vanessa, but I think it's more likely two millers are in this game than two scum deciding to both out as miller and have a giant spotlight on them + a potential investigation

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Oh and locket has tumbled to null, I am not liking some of her responses, like how she's been tunneling Bianca just because of the message and sring Toads without giving analysis to back it up

That being said, it is a worthwhile endeavor to see if Bianca and Toads have interacted aside from the inconsequential role speculation bit

 

[cornimer]

@Evan what is the point of investigation millers tho. We're obviously going to return red. We wouldn't claim miller if we were regular green-returning townies.

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*investigating not investigation
Also, why am I a higher priority lynch candidate for you than Toads?

 

[amazonevan19]

@Evan what is the point of investigation millers tho. We're obviously going to return red. We wouldn't claim miller if we were regular green-returning townies.

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*investigating not investigation
Also, why am I a higher priority lynch candidate for you than Toads?

if toads is godfather he'd return green, or scum could have a lawyer.

Toads has just been very confusing but you seem to have an air of deliberation about you I don't like. Plus being the second miller claim kind of hurts too. On a scale of probability, both of you telling the truth is more likely than both of you being scum and lying, but one of you lying and one of you telling the truth is more likely than both telling the truth. And I feel you're slightly more likely to be lying about being a miller than toads.

 

[Jacob]

I have a little time to sit down and actually color some people right now, the people who I'm actually a little sure of, I won't really include anyone who I haven't put the time into reading yet. Theres been a lot of fluff bickering I skipped admittedly...


Dolby Confirmed
PunchyDaHufflepuff Supported by Dolby's role
Tina Confirmed
Biancasbotique Not confirmed, but categorizing her is the only way I'll be able to go through her posts, theres a lot of air and not a lot of logic in the things she hits "post" on, but I doubt anyone as mafia would play like she is.
Byngo Basing my reads off things that actually happened and were revealed in the thread, Byngo claimed to receive some form of message. I know that doesn't clear her by any means, but the fact that she decided to spill that information despite being told she wasn't allowed to tell the thread (I believe she claimed that) is in good pretty good taste

glow
Dad
Speculated on Godfather thing, sorry. When I refer to Godfather I don't actually mean the role (which I think someone posted that was their assumption with that), but I guess thats definitely possible. It's definitely strange that Dolby and Tina were killed, it leaves them in the light which could've been a tactic used by mafia ? But at the same time, if one of these 2 were actually Godfather role, they wouldn't be worried about someone inspecting them, or they would think that being inspected would actually clear them.
Also, the fact that the majority of the rest of the playerlist (ie. Vanessa, Toads, Runeraider, ITYW) is already being scum read, the team would probably be fairly weak without one of these two.

Locket
Vanessa
toadsworthy
There's definitely dark light based on the Miller claimed by Vanessa and Toads, but that's already been searched. Moreso Locket being revealed to be Mafia (unexpectedly, for an unknown reason at this point), that looks pretty bad. But I'm not sure, if we withheld lynching her today, someone else might receive a similar message about another player or not, and it could help determine if the message came from a whisper or an anon investigation

The rest I will be working on my thoughts, probably isolations because I have no definite scum reads, and I want to feel confident in who I'm voting

 

[Heyden]

if toads is godfather he'd return green, or scum could have a lawyer.

Toads has just been very confusing but you seem to have an air of deliberation about you I don't like. Plus being the second miller claim kind of hurts too. On a scale of probability, both of you telling the truth is more likely than both of you being scum and lying, but one of you lying and one of you telling the truth is more likely than both telling the truth. And I feel you're slightly more likely to be lying about being a miller than toads.

Just bc she's the 2nd Miller claim it doesn't shoot down her credibility at all, if anything given the 2 minute gap to counterclaim I'd say it makes it more believable, than lets say, claiming when you're up for a lynch a day later. Vanessa isn't fairly experienced and from her POV I can see why she spoke up bc 'Miller' seems like a unique role.

Plus she claimed her role name first. Do you seriously think she lucked out by claiming the same flavour name as Toads? If anything I'm almost inclined to townlock her.

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@Jacob, if glow/dad live through tonight then I'll probs get a bit paranoid but honestly I tr Dad and glow's obv as scum usually so idk

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ay voting is open