LGBTQA - Discussion and support.

[g u a v a]

Well lets say you want to talk about everyone who isn't straight basically, there's not really a good term to use. I prefer to use "everyone who isn't straight" I guess, which is why I used non het. (Non Het is a shortened way of me saying that but I can see how people can take offense) but there comes to times where sometimes you need to address this specific part of the community - how will you do it? You can't say the LGBT community in general if you didn't mean the trans people, the asexual people, the romantic minority people, etc. You really only mean the sexuality section tbh, so it comes to a point where sometimes we need to find a term that isnt offensive but can accurately get the message across.

Yeah, I see what you mean. As I said before I use queer as an umbrella term for basically people who just don't abide by societal expectations which is why I think non-het was a bit off putting, since queer could include heterosexual people who challenge societal norms of what a heterosexuality looks like.

 

[remiaphasia]

Yeah, I see what you mean. As I said before I use queer as an umbrella term for basically people who just don't abide by societal expectations which is why I think non-het was a bit off putting, since queer could include heterosexual people who challenge societal norms of what a heterosexuality looks like.

Queer can absolutely including heterosexual people.

I think what a lot of people in this discussion can forget is that just because a person is heterosexual or cisgender, that doesn't necessarily mean that they've ever benefited from heterosexism or cis privilege. And even if they have, but *understand and recognize* their privileged position, they should absolutely be able to adopt the queer socio-political-ideological label.

 

[g u a v a]

Queer can absolutely including heterosexual people.

I think what a lot of people in this discussion can forget is that just because a person is heterosexual or cisgender, that doesn't necessarily mean that they've ever benefited from heterosexism or cis privilege. And even if they have, but *understand and recognize* their privileged position, they should absolutely be able to adopt the queer socio-political-ideological label.

Definitely. And as you said it requires a true understanding of their privileged position in order for them to act on it and renounce it.

 

[KarlaKGB]

can we kill this ****ing idea of privilege? like why do we shame "privileged" people who have it good in life? is it a race to the bottom?

 

[g u a v a]

can we kill this ****ing idea of privilege? like why do we shame "privileged" people who have it good in life? is it a race to the bottom?

Er, no it's not a race to the bottom, but it's in an attempt to promote equity so that people aren't placed into disadvantageous positions in life with no chance of getting out simply because of systems in our society.

I respectfully suggest that you look into the concept of privilege before commenting on anything with regards to that subject.

 

[KarlaKGB]

What is a privileged position then?

 

[g u a v a]

What is a privileged position then?

Privilege essentially refers to an invisible set of advantages that are given to you based on your membership to a specific social group. Within U.S. society, the "ideal" human is a white, cis-gendered, heterosexual, middle-aged man and this is reinforced by the institutions (large organizations which are predominantly made up of the aforementioned) that place people of these social identities at an advantage from let's say a young genderqueer gay person of color.

This is only really the tip of the iceberg of privilege because 1: I personally don't feel fit to explain all of the issues surrounding privilege and social justice to you and 2: it just isn't pertinent to the discussion in this thread.

 

[KarlaKGB]

Exactly, the idea of privilege is irrelevant hence why it needs to die in this thread. And die in general. Nobody should have to feel bad because they are "privileged".

 

[(ciel)]

Exactly, the idea of privilege is irrelevant hence why it needs to die in this thread. And die in general. Nobody should have to feel bad because they are "privileged".

But privilege is relevant to LGBT+ issues. People under the LGBT+ umbrella are still discriminated, shamed, abused, etc. just because of who they are. I don't think anyone should feel bad because of a privilege they have, I just think that they shouldn't abuse that privilege, and they should know there are people who get treated differently because they don't have the same privilege. Some people seem to be blissfully ignorant of their own privilege and see the world as equal already.

Regardless of the way you feel about how "privilege" is being discussed (and yeah, I do think people get way out of hand with it), there's no denying there are people in this world who are treated better than others solely because of the colour of their skin or their sexual preference or gender. People with privilege shouldn't feel bad, they should just use it as a platform to gain a better understanding of the world, which everyone should try to do anyway.

 

[g u a v a]

Exactly, the idea of privilege is irrelevant hence why it needs to die in this thread. And die in general. Nobody should have to feel bad because they are "privileged".

It is relevant to LGBT+/queer issues overall, but it's not pertinent to the purpose of this thread. Privilege can die when everyone has become aware of it and actively resigns unfair advantages.

But privilege is relevant to LGBT+ issues. People under the LGBT+ umbrella are still discriminated, shamed, abused, etc. just because of who they are. I don't think anyone should feel bad because of a privilege they have, I just think that they shouldn't abuse that privilege, and they should know there are people who get treated differently because they don't have the same privilege. Some people seem to be blissfully ignorant of their own privilege and see the world as equal already.

Regardless of the way you feel about how "privilege" is being discussed (and yeah, I do think people get way out of hand with it), there's no denying there are people in this world who are treated better than others solely because of the colour of their skin or their sexual preference or gender. People with privilege shouldn't feel bad, they should just use it as a platform to gain a better understanding of the world, which everyone should try to do anyway.

Couldn't have put it better myself~

 

[KarlaKGB]

People with privilege shouldn't feel bad, they should just use it as a platform to gain a better understanding of the world, which everyone should try to do anyway.

so u basically recognise that it has nothing to do with privilege, u just prefer to single out privileged people

 

[Yuki Nagato]

I never said that they do.




Your sentence doesn't really make much sense, but I think I know what you're trying to say here. If you're trying to say that the term "queer" isn't used often and is only used in different contexts by the elderly then this is false: as I've already stated, I personally hear it frequently in everyday speech and the oldest people I communicate with are my folks, and they're 42 - that's not even half of 90!

I don't know where you live but it can't be The UK, or at least Anglia. It's just a word you don't use over here: I'm not really seeing why you need to attack me for telling you that the phrase simply isn't acceptable over here despite campaigns to make it so (but then again no one has even heard of them).

 

[(ciel)]

so u basically recognise that it has nothing to do with privilege, u just prefer to single out privileged people

No, it does have to do with privilege. In a lot of cases, privileged people don't realise what they have, or why someone else might not be able to do something, or why someone might be uncomfortable with something. I'm not really using privilege in the context of like "check your privilege >: (" Just kind of a gentle reminder that not everyone has the same advantages as other people, and people with advantages need to realise that and help work to correct it.

I don't agree with people who say things like "well if you're straight you should feel bad about yourself" or that sort of "privilege" stuff. That's not right. I guess I'm just using the word with a less harsh connotation then it's usually seen on the internet.



But anyway.
Yesterday was Bisexual Awareness day, and I saw a lot about it online. So that's good
I know there's an Asexual Awareness week (I think the end of Oct/beginning of Nov?)...are there any other days?

 

[SmokeyB]

I don't agree with people who say things like "well if you're straight you should feel bad about yourself" or that sort of "privilege" stuff. That's not right.

People who do that are *******s regardless of what they are, I don't give a ****. No one should put others down for something they can't help, ever.

 

[Jinglefruit]

The majority in the UK do not refer to themselves as queer: everyone here knows that.

I don't know where you live but it can't be The UK, or at least Anglia. It's just a word you don't use over here: I'm not really seeing why you need to attack me for telling you that the phrase simply isn't acceptable over here despite campaigns to make it so (but then again no one has even heard of them).

A majority of the UK don't refer to themselves as queer, no, but there is a huge and ever growing 'queer scene' in East London at the moment. So much so that many places around there are labelling themselves queer friendly and hold 'queer nights' instead of saying Gay/LGBT.

 

[Chris]

I don't know where you live but it can't be The UK, or at least Anglia. It's just a word you don't use over here: I'm not really seeing why you need to attack me for telling you that the phrase simply isn't acceptable over here despite campaigns to make it so (but then again no one has even heard of them).

No, I never attacked you. My post was even intended to back you up. All I did was explain that the word "queer" is more likely to have even more deeply rooted negative connotations here in the UK than abroad due to the fact it has various usages (not all related to sexuality), all of which are perceived as negative. This was a theory about why the the word could be mostly perceived as negative in the UK: in that all other usages of the word are also negative, which could further emphasise the negative impact when use in this instance.

Instead of either accepting or politely debating the theory, you are instead passing it off as "an attack" and repeatedly implying that I think the word queer in relation to sexuality is acceptable in the UK when I never said anything of the sort.

For the record I do live in the UK, yes - and I have done for over 20 years.

 

[g u a v a]

so u basically recognise that it has nothing to do with privilege, u just prefer to single out privileged people

The thing that you're not understanding is that it is not pertinent to this thread. It's 100% related to LGBT+/queer communities due to the impacts that sexism/heterosexism have on queer people. But, it just seems like you are dead-set on your idea that privilege is irrelevant and doesn't affect anyone and that people who are born into good circumstances were just "lucky" and not at all the result of a messed up societal system; so I'll stop trying.

:>

 

[KarlaKGB]

No, I never attacked you. My post was even intended to back you up. All I did was explain that the word "queer" is more likely to have even more deeply rooted negative connotations here in the UK than abroad due to the fact it has various usages (not all related to sexuality), all of which are perceived as negative. This was a theory about why the the word could be mostly perceived as negative in the UK: in that all other usages of the word are also negative, which could further emphasise the negative impact when use in this instance.

Instead of either accepting or politely debating the theory, you are instead passing it off as "an attack" and repeatedly implying that I think the word queer in relation to sexuality is acceptable in the UK when I never said anything of the sort.

For the record I do live in the UK, yes - and I have done for over 20 years.

dude before u talk u need to evaluate ur privilege. it is a privilege that ur not illiterate and can understand basic sentences. others rnt so privileged. lemme do it for u because i love u (no hetero)

ways in which ur privileged

• ur white
• ur allistic (not autistic) i think
• ur dydically sexed (not intersexed)
• ur physically able (ur sight, hearing and body are more or less what medical establishments say are normal)
• english is ur first language
• u wer born in uk so u have western privilege
• ur not easily marked as another religion (u dont wear hijab for exampl nor r u brown)
• ur tbt moderator

ways in which ur disprivileged

• u r woman
• ur student and therefor poor

other things worth mentioning

• ur kinky
• ur smart as ur iq is above average and u go to university

ok i hope u feel guilty like u should

 

[Hana-Nezumi]

Can we not?

 

[Chris]

dude before u talk u need to evaluate ur privilege. it is a privilege that ur not illiterate and can understand basic sentences. others rnt so privileged. lemme do it for u because i love u (no hetero)

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ok i hope u feel guilty like u should

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